can you tell us anything about that? >> well, in terms of -- i will not tell you what the discussions were. i will tell you that i became so frustrated with the process, i did use profanity. it was not the first time that i used profanity, but it was not my customary way of speaking to my supervisors. i used the b.s. word as was identified in the testimony. to that extent, that yelling went on. >> aside from the use of profanity or not, it appeared to mr. rosenbaum that the background material had not been read for his review. >> it arose because the accusation was made against me that was not true. >> can you tell us what that accusation was? >> no, i can't. >> at any time did anyone accuse you or any member of the trucking of member -- violating civil procedure? >> there were accusations made. i think mr. perot says -- perez has mentioned a rule of love an d concern. there is a section that prohibits intimidation, threats, coercion. we're talking about, mr. blackwood, rule 11 of civil procedure which would subject plai